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  • KarenMarie
    started a topic How do you get Greater Essences?

    How do you get Greater Essences?

    I’ve been playing for a while and have thousands of lesser essences, but only four greater ones. I cannot figure out how to craft lesser to greater or how to convert to greater. I’ve crafted other things like armor, so know how to craft a little. I’m CL 252 and I need greater essences to craft most things like cape I want to craft. How do I do this? I’ve found some (only 1 at a time) in locked chests which you need to pay for with gems and I don’t want to do that. Thanks!

  • Harryoi
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    Originally posted by Trouble View Post
    Harryoi Oh, well why didn't you say so sooner?
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    I have accepted your formal complaint, and have notified our stakeholders. Please wait by the phone, you'll receive a callback from my supervisor momentarily.

    Thank you for the update, and your patience!
    Haha!! I'm waiting by the phone!!
    Originally posted by Outlaw View Post
    Harryoi I‘m shocked, but I need popcorn. Don‘t know right know if you‘re under 14 years, a troll or simply raging without any reasons cause you won‘t understand the theme. It‘s funny anyway haha
    Haha yeh it is funny but ppl are quoting me with irrelevant answers so I respond - if they want to post their lessons without quoting me, I won't take it as an answer to my post.

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  • Trouble
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    Originally posted by Outlaw

    hahaha
    Was? Ich bin ein bescheidener Kundendienst Roboter.

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  • Outlaw
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    Harryoi I‘m shocked, but I need popcorn. Don‘t know right know if you‘re under 14 years, a troll or simply raging without any reasons cause you won‘t understand the theme. It‘s funny anyway haha
    Originally posted by Trouble View Post
    Harryoi Oh, well why didn't you say so, sooner?
    ​​​​​​
    I have accepted your formal complaint, and have notified our stakeholders. Please wait by the phone, you'll receive a callback from my supervisor momentarily.

    Thank you for the update, and your patience!
    hahaha

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  • Trouble
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    Harryoi Oh, well why didn't you say so sooner?
    ​​​​​​
    I have accepted your formal complaint, and have notified our stakeholders. Please wait by the phone, you'll receive a callback from my supervisor momentarily.

    Thank you for the update, and your patience!
    Last edited by Trouble; 03-07-2019, 01:45 PM.

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  • Harryoi
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    Originally posted by Trouble View Post
    Harryoi This has been answered multiple times, in multiple ways.

    Please read the responses you've been given, as you won't likely be receiving more if this behavior continues.
    What behaviour? Why don't you do something about these people who just want to post their brilliant lectures on smart crafting, when none of them seems to grasp the issue I am TRYING to discuss!!

    The 'Smart Crafting Assistant' should NOT be offering to use what you are trying to craft as raw material to craft it - this is an ERROR IN YOUR GAME, ok? There is NO REASON FOR THIS OPTION TO BE THERE. Yes, you can transmute at great expense OTHER ESSENCES into the ones you want, and should be careful not to blithely click on anything green, whether the assistant is on or off.

    HOWEVER, there is NO SCENARIO where ANYONE would want to break down a greater essence in order to remake the same essence from the resulting raw material. The 'Smart Crafting Assistant', and the ENTIRE CRAFTING PROCESS, should NOT PRESENT THIS AS AN OPTION, AS IT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

    When someone actually DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, I will ghost this post, ok? But getting pages and pages of irrelevant advice borders on harrassment, and these blathering clowns are the real violators of your precious forum. In fact, I would like to register an OFFICIAL COMPLAINT RIGHT NOW WITH YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

    Ok?

    Thank you for making my experience here so pleasant, why don't you go look at how much I support this game before you threaten me, because I would be HAPPY to take my MONEY ELSEWHERE.
    Last edited by Harryoi; 03-07-2019, 01:20 PM.

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  • Buppy
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    Originally posted by Harryoi View Post
    OMG!!!! You are all experts in completely missing wtf I am trying to say!!! This is so mindboggling - did anyone actually read my post and watch the video?!?!

    Let me explain VERY SLOWLY

    GROG WANT MAKE MORE GREATER ESSENCE OF WATER

    GROG NOT HAVE ENOUGH ESSENCE OF WATER TO MAKE

    THAT OK, SMART CRAFTING ASSISTANT TELL GROG HE MAKE ESSENCE OF WATER FROM GREATER ESSENCE OF WATER HE HAVE IN BAG.

    GROG NOT SAY "Now, why would I break down my greater essence of water to get the essence of water I need to make more greater essence of water? Why not use the greater essence I already have? Because I don't have enough, and need to make more. Will breaking down my current stock of greater essence of water to get the raw material to make more, ultimately result in my having more greater essence of water? No, I don't think so, and I think that the administrators of this game should PAY ATTENTION, and stop allowing the smart crafting assistant to EVER present this option FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT IS PATENTLY POINTLESS AND STUPID!!!"

    GROG NOT SAY BECAUSE GROG NOT SMART, GROG DUMB. NOW GROG DUMB AND BROKE. AND SAD.

    PLEASE HELP GROG AND FIX GAME.
    If you're done trying to be a smart ass, and would like some actual advise, please listen.

    What the assistant does is reserve resources that are used as ingredients to make whatever recipe you select. Greater Essences are not one of the ingredients needed to make Greater Essences, therefore they will not be reserved. The system doesn't know how many you need or what you need them for. Regular essences will be reserved though, and you'll notice that if you go one level deeper, it will not let you use any of your regular essences to make lesser essences.

    This is why I told you to start with the actual end result you're trying to make. I apologize if I was unclear, but what I mean by that is if your ultimate goal is to make a RoTS enchantment, for example, go to that recipe first. Then go through the various sub-recipes from there. Doing so will prevent you from accidentally using something you need.

    I acknowledged that it is possible to circumvent the reserve system. I would also agree that it would be logical for the system to reserve the "top level" item, as well as the ingredients. That's just not how the system currently works. Again, what the smart assistant does is reserve ingredients. If you think you know what you're doing, you want to freewheel, craft your essences on your own, then I'm sorry; you'll just have to take your own advise and PAY ATTENTION.

    At the least if you're going to ask for additional safeguards to protect you from yourself, while refusing to use those that already exist, you might want to try being a bit nicer.

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  • Trouble
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    Harryoi This has been answered multiple times, in multiple ways.

    Please read the responses you've been given, as you won't likely be receiving more if this behavior continues.

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  • Harryoi
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    Originally posted by TerryDarc View Post
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    That is almost EXACTLY the way I have my resource box arranged. It's true that if you are not careful you will cannibalize your ingredients until you have almost nothing left. The assistant SHOULD be smart enough to recognize that to make a greater (e.g.) out of another type of greater essence that was already used is a terrible interface if not an outright bug.

    I know Making Fun understands warnings b/c the Exit to Main Menu and Log Off both come with timers and warnings. One would almost suspect MF wants you to run off to Ruby the trader to BUY essences after a "successful" cannibalization of all of your greater essences into just one.


    Ok, so for the record, NO - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OFFERING TO TRANSMUTE OTHER TYPES OF ESSENCES INTO THE TYPE YOU WANT, THIS IS UP TO YOU IF YOU HAVE LOOT AND CAN"T WAIT.

    WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS OFFERING TO BREAK DOWN THE VERY ESSENCE YOU WANT MORE OF, IN ORDER TO GET THE SMALLER ESSENCES NEEDED TO MAKE THEM.

    I MADE A FRIKKING VIDEO. PLEASE FRIKKING WATCH IT AND POST RELEVANT RESPONSES?!?!?!??!?!?!?

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  • Nhat
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    Originally posted by Harryoi View Post
    OMG!!!! You are all experts in completely missing wtf I am trying to say!!! This is so mindboggling - did anyone actually read my post and watch the video?!?!
    Once again, I would like to repeat my "please calm down" message, and yes, I did look at your video and confirmed the issue as per my reply:

    Originally posted by Nhat View Post
    The bug that you're describing is that the "how to get this ingredient" menu is not tracking where you started from, and is thus simply providing you with all the potential way you could get the "secondary" ingredient, including breaking down what it is you're trying to craft in the first place.
    Travis added a "like" to the post, meaning that he have seen it and agree with it (although I can't really tell which part of it he's "agreeing" too, hopefully it's the "bug" part) - and hopefully it'll be logged with the dev team and they'll get to it whenever they'll get to it...


    Thank you for the video and the detailed break down of the situation.

    To others, it's NOT an issue with the "Smart Crafting Assistance" feature, which you can turn on/off from the settings. It's an issue with the core crafting interface itself, follow the steps described and see for yourself...

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  • Harryoi
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    OMG!!!! You are all experts in completely missing wtf I am trying to say!!! This is so mindboggling - did anyone actually read my post and watch the video?!?!

    Let me explain VERY SLOWLY

    GROG WANT MAKE MORE GREATER ESSENCE OF WATER

    GROG NOT HAVE ENOUGH ESSENCE OF WATER TO MAKE

    THAT OK, SMART CRAFTING ASSISTANT TELL GROG HE MAKE ESSENCE OF WATER FROM GREATER ESSENCE OF WATER HE HAVE IN BAG.

    GROG NOT SAY "Now, why would I break down my greater essence of water to get the essence of water I need to make more greater essence of water? Why not use the greater essence I already have? Because I don't have enough, and need to make more. Will breaking down my current stock of greater essence of water to get the raw material to make more, ultimately result in my having more greater essence of water? No, I don't think so, and I think that the administrators of this game should PAY ATTENTION, and stop allowing the smart crafting assistant to EVER present this option FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER BECAUSE IT IS PATENTLY POINTLESS AND STUPID!!!"

    GROG NOT SAY BECAUSE GROG NOT SMART, GROG DUMB. NOW GROG DUMB AND BROKE. AND SAD.

    PLEASE HELP GROG AND FIX GAME.

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  • Buppy
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    Originally posted by Harryoi View Post
    Man, please tell me you get what I'm saying, though, right? If you have 50 Essence and need 500 lesser essence to make 50 more, it is pointless for the crafting assistant to suggest that you BREAK DOWN the 50 that you HAVE, in order to get the 500 lesser essence you need to make 50 more. Sorry, but you won't get to 100 essence that way, but you'll waste 6 figures every time and get nowhere.

    It is stupid for the assistant to offer this. There is no careful decision to be made, nothing complicated to weigh out - please can more people tell me they see this?!?!? KarenMarie you rock!!
    Originally posted by TerryDarc View Post
    [/B]...It's true that if you are not careful you will cannibalize your ingredients until you have almost nothing left. The assistant SHOULD be smart enough to recognize that to make a greater (e.g.) out of another type of greater essence that was already used is a terrible interface if not an outright bug.

    I know Making Fun understands warnings b/c the Exit to Main Menu and Log Off both come with timers and warnings. One would almost suspect MF wants you to run off to Ruby the trader to BUY essences after a "successful" cannibalization of all of your greater essences into just one.
    It sounds as though you both need to turn the smart assistant ON.

    With the assistant turned on:
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    Short of greater essences. So I click the yellow icon for GE of Earth:
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    As you can see, it will not allow me to use any of the Shadow, Air, or Water essences, even though I have them. They are currently being reserved. So I use up my normal earth essences, then drill down to the next level to see how I can make more:
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    As you can see here, it will not allow me to use any of my existing greater essences. I don't have enough lesser essences to make all the regulars I need either, so drill down again:
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    Where you see I am unable to use any of my existing normal essences.

    It is still possible to "cannibalize" if you access those recipes in a different manner. The system can't read your mind. But assuming you are starting from the actual item you're trying to make, it does properly reserve all resources as far as I have been able to see. I haven't gone through every possible option for navigating through the sub-recipes, but I haven't yet found any errors. If you do have the assistant turned on, and it's not working as these screenshots show, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

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  • TerryDarc
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    Originally posted by lmcelhiney View Post

    Absolutlely! You should first set up your crafting resource sheet into a logical format so that recovered resources will stack where you want them rather than into the first available cell. There have been several images posted of ways to do this. I use 15 cells for five columns of increasing strength (Lesser, Normal and Greater) for Fire, Water, Air, Shadow, Earth. Then I can quickly see what I am missing and compare to the "Crafting Paths" to choose the best one for both resources and gold.

    Mine is similar to:
    Leather Iron Silk Cloth S. Ore M.Titans
    E.Leather Mithril Nightcloth Ornament
    ...
    S. Dust Haunting Primal War Living Harmony
    Remember no part of Eternium necessarily has your best interests or desires at heart. You must control things!


    That is almost EXACTLY the way I have my resource box arranged. It's true that if you are not careful you will cannibalize your ingredients until you have almost nothing left. The assistant SHOULD be smart enough to recognize that to make a greater (e.g.) out of another type of greater essence that was already used is a terrible interface if not an outright bug.

    I know Making Fun understands warnings b/c the Exit to Main Menu and Log Off both come with timers and warnings. One would almost suspect MF wants you to run off to Ruby the trader to BUY essences after a "successful" cannibalization of all of your greater essences into just one.

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  • lmcelhiney
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    Originally posted by Trouble View Post
    When upgrading stuff for an active recipe, don't click on anything below the first row unless you know exactly what you are doing.
    Absolutlely! You should first set up your crafting resource sheet into a logical format so that recovered resources will stack where you want them rather than into the first available cell. There have been several images posted of ways to do this. I use 15 cells for five columns of increasing strength (Lesser, Normal and Greater) for Fire, Water, Air, Shadow, Earth. Then I can quickly see what I am missing and compare to the "Crafting Paths" to choose the best one for both resources and gold.

    Mine is similar to:
    Leather Iron Silk Cloth S. Ore M.Titans
    E.Leather Mithril Nightcloth Ornament
    L.Fire L.Water L.Air L.Shadow L.Earth
    Fire Water Air Shadow Earth
    G.Fire G.Water G.Air G.Shadow L.Earth
    S. Dust Haunting Primal War Living Harmony

    Remember no part of Eternium necessarily has your best interests or desires at heart. You must control things!
    Last edited by lmcelhiney; 03-06-2019, 08:38 PM.

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  • Trouble
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    When upgrading stuff for an active recipe, don't click on anything below the first row unless you know exactly what you are doing.

    Manually go through and upgrade your essences with the Materials menu, just to be sure.

    While you're there, make a bucket load of silver dust. Lack of silver dust makes things (like creating spirits) look red.
    Last edited by Trouble; 03-06-2019, 05:22 AM.

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