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    Whirlwind Shield Warrior Beat Kara at Trial 150

    I'm so happy finally made it
    hero's attribute for sharing:
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    wat I deeply observe (overall not just Kara)

    1. Higher block is required (not anymore capped at 95%?)
    2. Try 5k Power but in vain. Can I say power is not 'the key' to a whirlwind shield warrior?
    3. For heaven's sake it's a CR CD build. Can't be low can it?
    4. AR? I try the at least 1500 value. Unsatisfactory result
    5. Vitality can't be low
    6. Battle rage rocks (at the moment)
    7. Massive pulling needed
    8. Shield Warriors: NOT UNDERPOWERED anymore ( at the moment). Hopely can stay at the normal LB top 100
    9.Thanks the DEV:for this new SW updated
    10. Most important of all:

    Mobile friendly: less than 20 fps can still do trial 150's ​​
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    Last edited by TheExorcist; 09-28-2021, 06:58 AM.
    Whirlwind Shield Warrior Trial 154 in 9:21 min
    Redmi 10 (40-55 fps thankfully at least no stutter, glitches etc at higher trials) PURIST Mobile user

    #2
    Congratulations you did it!
    Now that Kara's gone you can go all the way up to 154...
    Last edited by Grand_Wazoo; 09-27-2021, 11:19 PM.

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      #3
      Grand Wazoo my dear friend You're right sir
      shield warrior can still survive at Trial 154
      ain't that sweet?
      Many thanks

      addition:

      1. I think I had enough of this SW thing ( rest for awhile)
      2. It's not an easy task to face Kara again ya know
      2. Wat to do now?:

      start all over with my long forgotten Lover:

      HAVOC

      erm have to do some reading at Our Ozymandius & other BH havoc lover postings etc. Next bronze? Definitely a Havoc.
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      Last edited by TheExorcist; 09-28-2021, 01:22 PM.
      Whirlwind Shield Warrior Trial 154 in 9:21 min
      Redmi 10 (40-55 fps thankfully at least no stutter, glitches etc at higher trials) PURIST Mobile user

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      • Ozymandius
        Ozymandius commented
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        TheExorcist I have been playing around with the 4 Havoc:2 Demolitionist build. I did well in Gold ANB using a 6pc Havoc set, but the addition of Sticky bombs from the 2 Demo pieces feels like sort of a game changer.

      • TheExorcist
        TheExorcist commented
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        Ozymandius
        I should change from full havoc to hybrid with 2 demo then. Now which LB player to follow? Erm. Are they any 4havoc 2 demo with decent amount of vit build?.

      • kurtcabage
        kurtcabage commented
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        Congratulation man!

      #4
      Originally posted by TheExorcist View Post

      1. Higher block is required (not anymore capped at 95%?)
      2. Try 5k Power but in vain. Can I say power is not 'the key' to a whirlwind shield warrior?
      3. For heaven's sake it's a CR CD build. Can't be low can it?
      4. AR? I try the at least 1500 value. Unsatisfactory result
      5. Vitality can't be low
      6. Battle rage rocks (at the moment)
      1. Block still seems capped at 95% from a small incoming damage test done in the training grounds. Around one in 20 attacks hits substantially harder, thus passing block. What does change is your critical block. Any blockrate above 100% is critical block, and every crit block causes a shield slam. So if you have for example 115% block, you will do 15% more shield slams.

      The 3600 blockrate (95%) breakpoint has to do with shield block: 7600 br gives 195% block, so max crit block of 95%. Any block above 3600 will mean more shield slams when shield block is not active, and ofcourse extra power when Sb is active. Extra tip: you get 500 br from s&b that is not listed in the LCS (lying character screen - oldschool Diablo II ref ), so you can in principle get away with 3100 br from gear.


      2. You have over 3k power allready, with Sb adding 7600 more. So those extra 2k power is indeed not so much.

      3. so yes crit crit crit

      4. you do your best dmg when Sb is active, so Sb uptime is very important. I stack around 4.5k ar on my shield Lilly, and use belt of the whirling shield. This allows me to cast DT, ww, DT in a single 5s Sb activation. Then DT ww DT without Sb, then the next cycle Sb is up again. And every 4 or 5 cycles I can do 2 cycles with Sb in a row. So in short: I get over 50% Sb uptime, plus whatever charges blackguards adds. To be honest I got a little too much ar, DT-ww-DT in 4s. I bet with 3.5k ar I would still (just) be able to fit DT-ww-DT in the 5s uptime. But the extra second helps a lot in consistency, and what would I replace the ar with on a lily build anyway…

      5. one of the biggest problems to still solve on my shield warrior is healing. Big life pool helps yes. But you also need to be able to dip below 35% health for getting those extra Sb charges (if using blackguards). And recover from it… It’s one of the reasons I like shockwave over ww.

      6. Any source of damage for shield slam that isn’t yet more power is very welcome, and the extra healing procs from the 2 piece defender bonus also help tons I bet.


      It took me quite some time to get this far understanding sword & board, as a lot of info we all took for granted is from “the good ole days”, when Sb was on all the time. The AR changes that ended that era, have changed the very nature of the shield warrior. It used to be a consistent dps machine. These days a shield warrior is burst damage, you do your damage when Sb is active. Granted I use DT as active, and use the extra ar both for faster burst (Sb uptime) and to cram extra damage into every burst (two DT per activation). You use Battle Rage for a dmg boost that lasts 5s, so your build might be less dependent on high AR. So you have less Sb uptime, and boosting your dmg when Sb is down by stacking more block might do more for you than it does for me.
      mobile (Apple) player - shield enthousiast

      SchilKardy - main Fire Lilly Shield Warrior - Trial 138

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      • Kardinaal
        Kardinaal commented
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        Ok I made a mistake in the numbers I just saw. My AR stack isn’t 4.5k, it’s 3.5k. The 40% reduction and 50% uptime are right though, so doesn’t change too much.

      #5
      TheExorcist Going toward you just did 151
      just pass the other SW haha
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      • TheExorcist
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        Congrats Your Majesty
        Turgeon. We should be proud. The three Stooges (You, Me and whoever the 3rd one might it be? Mr Cathe). Is it Grand Wazoo ehh????. All three pass Trial 150

      • Turgeon
        Turgeon commented
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        Thnk. Now for me 154 will be really tough as i have a lot of difficulty to sinc tos with garm hope ill get it then well need to find a way to beat that kara at 155

      #6
      153 done only one more to catch you up my friend and master
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      • TheExorcist
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        Be quick I'm alone at 154 I'm afraid

      • TheExorcist
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        Garm skin is triple hard at 154. Hope u can beat that damn Devil

      • Turgeon
        Turgeon commented
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        Hope so too. Didnt try yet but i always have diff to proc tos with good timing against garm so yes its gonna be real hard. Haha

      #7
      TheExorcist ive just saw that ure shield and weapon arent celestialized for optimum stat. Maybe that could help you for kara 155 High cost but in mats But i know you have plenty or mats. Check stat on my shield and mace. If my memories is good ive put about 3 celestial essence to max them out

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      • TheExorcist
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        You're right. I have three 76: chest integrals and shield slam bracer. I CT them all. I'm stupid & Impatience I'm afraid. Better try to craft one or two 77 later and hav it CT. Have to avoid try to obtain a 77 shield slam bracer. Pure luck and wat are the chances that finally I would obtain a 77 shield slam bracer ehh????? 100-150 million gold? Heaven's forbid. haha
        Last edited by TheExorcist; 10-06-2021, 09:30 PM.

      • Kardinaal
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        I’d up the chest piece. It’s got the biggest ammount of armour (except your shield maybe). So there’s decent benefits into upgrading that one, even a bit of extra dr goes a long way at high trials.

        Integralis is also easy enough to up. But I also wouldn’t bother with the BOM, that’s a lot of crafting needed.

      • Turgeon
        Turgeon commented
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        Im talk8ng about CE on wpn and shield only. CE is costly but for wpn dmg. Armor and block rating on shieldit worth it. Imo

      #8
      While goldly runnin with DW etc I try to do again trial 154 Timin decrease a bit. ( Add CR & Power). Maybe much later wll try my luck with Kara at 155
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      Whirlwind Shield Warrior Trial 154 in 9:21 min
      Redmi 10 (40-55 fps thankfully at least no stutter, glitches etc at higher trials) PURIST Mobile user

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      • Turgeon
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        How do you fight this garm? U keep youre shield block ability for tos proc?

      • Kardinaal
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        Yes best to save one for tos. Since you have 3 in total you can hold one, and have some wiggling room in when to use the other two.

        And since tos triggers every 30s, if you use your last one, by the next proc you definately have a new cast of Sb available. At base the cooldown is around 28s.

        Ofcourse with ar on gear you get “extra” (40% faster cast speed gets you 2 Sb cooldowns in 30s), blackguards gives extra…

        So basically just save the last globe for tos, extra cast I try to activate directly after attacks that need to be dodged, that way you are not running with Sb active.

      • Turgeon
        Turgeon commented
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        Kk normally i tend to save all my SB for tos since that do a lot of DT causing lots of dmg butfor garm i dont work well enough haha

      #9
      I got to 138 on my Lilly shield warrior (with ww). Got a few upgrades, everything you see ct’d is 3 75s, one 76 and shield, mace and boots 77.

      Main problem getting forward is healing. I should probably get rid of blackguards mace for whirlwind axe, maybe get some LoH.

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      mobile (Apple) player - shield enthousiast

      SchilKardy - main Fire Lilly Shield Warrior - Trial 138

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      • Kardinaal
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        I changed out my rings for my high LoH jewellery from my pvp build, adding around 2.2k healing per attack, brought up haste to 3.6 attacks per second (before bonuses from frenzy). Did not do much survival wise, at least not on mob phase.

        So waiting on the next Anb to get me a 77 whirlwind axe. As I see it the bonus on blackguard mace and set aren’t that impressive, and the extra healing of the ww axe is probably an upgrade.

        If a decent healing source alone doesn’t help, I would need to introduce more damage mitigation. The easiest way would be to introduce some parry. This also opens up interesting possibilities for crit based shield warriors, like Belt of the Templar and flurry boosting deadly throw.

        It’s way more complex than you’d think at first sight. Shield slam “attack speed” depends on the amount of attacks you block. This is influenced by:

        - the amount of incoming attacks per second
        - your dodge, parry and block rates

        So while having 20% parry means you block roughly 15% less of incoming attacks, it might also help you survive pulling 15% more enemies, and would then have no influence on your dps. If it enables you to pull 20% more enemies, your dps would actually go up.
        Last edited by Kardinaal; 10-12-2021, 09:12 AM.
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