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  • Jude Smith
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    I also did a test with block and deflect on all blue gear with just the rylocks and lily again. Tl 60 autoattack cleave again. Deflect was 11% damage and rylocks was 2%. I also managed to do tl 100, no where near in time of course but just to test with higher damage enemies. I used whirlwind, shield block and deadly throw otherwise it would have taken a week. Shield Slam was top damage which shows I was blocking a lot. Deflect damage was 3% and rylocks wasn't on the list even though lots of blocking and lots of reflecting.

  • Kardinaal
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    Thanks for the explanation. Never managed any good damage with rylockes shield, now I get why. I thought it might just be low damage on the lightning so it might work on lower trials, but you put me back on my original idea about it: it’s a mage shield.

  • davidz
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    Slam is already my top damage. I’m not sure about the third active skill right now

  • Jude Smith
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    Just did a test of rylocks. All blue gear has block and power. Only unique items are rylocks and a firelily. I put reactive armour enchant on just for a comparison. All I did was auto attack cleave the entire run with sword and board for the extra block. Of course the rylocks damage would go up the higher the trial because of how reflected damage works but still this was done without any spells used I think the damage wouldn't even appear on the list if it was a proper build. Deflect rating only increases the chance to reflect damage back, not the amount of damage it does, therefore increasing deflect wouldn't affect rylocks at all.

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  • Jude Smith
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    I tried Rylocks shield before. The lightning damage just isn't worth it because reflected damage is rubbish on warrior. Reflect works best on mage because of mage armour and the offhand that increases reflect damage by 100%. But it was still only any good on bosses. I got Magroth to 1 shot himself by standing in his meteor shower with Paradox skill active once. Must have been a lucky crit. Normal mobs don't seem to do enough damage to kill themselves. As I said that wasn't with Rylocks though.

  • Turgeon
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    As soon as youll hit 140 maybe bfre youll need shield slam instead of dt.

  • davidz
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    I’m building my SW now. The DT is pretty good and sometimes close to the Slam. You mean DT is not good for high level trials? My SW is ok for lvl 105, but not good for higher levels. Needs a lot of work to improve it. What is the fighting strategy? I simply throw everything as soon as they are available. The only exception is to try to make SB to go with TOS. My main focus will still be my cleave build which is far from complete, so I don’t expect my SW to be seriously good for a while.
    Last edited by davidz; 12-01-2021, 05:27 PM.

  • TheExorcist
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    I hope u do succeed in relaying to us a workable new build.
    I'm from the old school.
    In my mindset Shield warrior = full defender set.
    Im not saying that hybrid Defender Shield warrior won't work/won't perform well:

    1. "It's just that the old masters/SW experts never inform us of hybrid Defender build that works. hahaha"

    2. I never try a hybrid Defender.
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    THus I'm only try this and that with the full defender set. eg:

    1. years back we used encrypted shield now BG set, replace slam bom with DT ( now I know it won't work well at trial 150- so back to slam bom), for bosses shockwave won't perform well (for mobs Shockwave is excellence for a shield warrior), DT nearly useless against Kara at 150 (back to BR)

    2. years back Shilieen and other masters has a success with BR DT and Shield block. At that time whirlwind shield warriors are behind any Shield warriors build without whirlwind. That is the time when AR is not being nerfed.

    3. With recent AR status whirlwind is a must ( in my honest opinion - I might be wrong)

    Conclusion (till today)

    1. For me alone: Full defender set is some sort of a rule of law for any defender build.

    2. Slam bom "if not the" it is one of the most powerful ability for shield warriors.

    3. To step by step/slowly succeed until say just trial 150 = full defender set.

    Nevertheless All my opinion above is obsolete (I'm wrong) If any hybrid Shield warriors can prove it will reached trial 150.

    Have a nice day
    Last edited by TheExorcist; 12-01-2021, 07:33 AM.

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  • Kardinaal
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    Problem is I don’t have the gear to really see how high in trials I can go. With a 75 cleaver, 77 shield, rest of the items on average 74, I got stuck at tl144 (my new current best).

    Now here is what I did test: swapped out the shield for a 77 ww axe and ran a normal cleave warrior with compareable stats at tl142. Tried 5 times, made it once, barely. Shield slam did as much damage as storm of swords (partially due to skill, I tend to miss a fair amount of the time. It’s definately more tanky, with the normal build I cleared in 3 mobs, with the cleave tank I did two half map pulls.

    For the shield there is no really good choice. Blackguards does nothing for the build. Rylockes might be interesting for a nature damage based exp build, but at high trials the lightning effect is quite underwhelming. So this leaves us with encrypted shield. A bubble now and then is better than nothing, so it’s the best pick of the bunch. No use boosting it’s effects though, even with LoH on everything I don’t manage to sustain one permanently (where in pvp LoH helps a ton).

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  • Turgeon
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    Yeah and without that buff cleave worth nothing so absolutly need that

  • davidz
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    Why don’t you use the black guard set? It gives %50 damage reduction and slam damage, plus everything you mentioned. It doesn’t have the %1200 buff I reckoned.
    Last edited by davidz; 11-30-2021, 02:35 PM.

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  • Turgeon
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    Probably too much 8nvestment into block for the small return

  • Romme
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    I think you wouldn't make it to tl150 with this set up

  • Turgeon
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    If it give curiosity to master romme it maybe worth the try isit it?

  • Romme
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    Also curious
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