In Combat = terrible idea

[BAgate]

Can we please get rid of the whole 'in combat' mechanic? Please? I just finished the Oasis, a fairly long level, killed every monster I could find, but the damn level won't end because I'm still 'in combat'. With what I have no idea. So I had to abandon it.

Combine this with levels like Malador where you have to retrace half the level if you want to open chests/mystery boxes and it is a constant source of irritation. Was there ever an actual reason for this?

[abc127]

When this happens to me there's usually a zombie somewhere, walking towards me at 0.05mph. I have to agree it would be nice to have some sort of distance time out, or time/distance combo, or something.

I think malador is one of the worst levels for it - super dense but lots of walls... One misplaced vortex and a guy from the next hallway over starts meandering your way. Not that you'll ever figure that out.

[Zudd]

Agreed 100%!

[SoulGaming2]

Same here.

[toot]

...it would be nice to have some sort of distance time out

You've got my vote! +1

[Ivx]

Yeah, the 1-revenant-slugging-its-way-across-the-map-unable-to-open-boxes problem can be a bit of a pain. You get used to it after a while though.

[Led]

+2, in combat is stupid, always has been

[Adrian (Developer)]

The incombat, sluggish and nowhere to be found, monster preventing you to end the level is a big problem indeed.

One reason to enforce the in-combat rule is that it's out of character to end a level while you are surrounded by a bunch of monsters hitting you.

The keyword in the above statement is 'surrounded' and it gives us a solution to this problem: monsters will drop out of combat after a certain amount of time passes without any interaction between the player and the monster.

The drop out of combat rule will also depend on the distance between the hero and the monster, far away monsters are more likely to drop out of combat.

Also, let's say the timer will be generous enough to still permit your favorite monster herding techniques with some effort from your part. E.g.: if you want to keep monsters in combat you would have to damage them from time to time.

[BAgate]

That would be great.

In a related note, how about fixing the walls in Malador so you can't hit a monster on the other side with an AoE and bring them into combat?

[Guest]

The incombat, sluggish and nowhere to be found, monster preventing you to end the level is a big problem indeed.

One reason to enforce the in-combat rule is that it's out of character to end a level while you are surrounded by a bunch of monsters hitting you.

The keyword in the above statement is 'surrounded' and it gives us a solution to this problem: monsters will drop out of combat after a certain amount of time passes without any interaction between the player and the monster.

The drop out of combat rule will also depend on the distance between the hero and the monster, far away monsters are more likely to drop out of combat.

Also, let's say the timer will be generous enough to still permit your favorite monster herding techniques with some effort from your part. E.g.: if you want to keep monsters in combat you would have to damage them from time to time.

The first nerf which probably will be negative only for few top players...it will be much harder to gather all monsters in trials now... Personally I am waiting for this improvement.

[Adrian (Developer)]

In a related note, how about fixing the walls in Malador so you can't hit a monster on the other side with an AoE and bring them into combat?

That's would be a good improvement, added on my list.

[BAgate]

The incombat, sluggish and nowhere to be found, monster preventing you to end the level is a big problem indeed.

One reason to enforce the in-combat rule is that it's out of character to end a level while you are surrounded by a bunch of monsters hitting you.

The keyword in the above statement is 'surrounded' and it gives us a solution to this problem: monsters will drop out of combat after a certain amount of time passes without any interaction between the player and the monster.

The drop out of combat rule will also depend on the distance between the hero and the monster, far away monsters are more likely to drop out of combat.

Also, let's say the timer will be generous enough to still permit your favorite monster herding techniques with some effort from your part. E.g.: if you want to keep monsters in combat you would have to damage them from time to time.

A follow up question, but what about minions? I've recently noticed that they sometimes stay VERY far behind you fighting a lone monster and so you remain in combat. Can we tweak the minion AI so that they disengage and catch up to you if the distance gets to great?

[abc127]

A follow up question, but what about minions? I've recently noticed that they sometimes stay VERY far behind you fighting a lone monster and so you remain in combat. Can we tweak the minion AI so that they disengage and catch up to you if the distance gets to great?

Or that they run your speed?

[Freeman9426]

IMHO you cant just get rid of the in combat mechanic. Its purpose is to prevent rushes for level end and/or chests.

I agree that it should behave correctly tho. With some sort of timeout or distance trigger. But proportioned with who you are in combat with.

Thanks.

[Lord Khromag]

IMHO you cant just get rid of the in combat mechanic. Its purpose is to prevent rushes for level end and/or chests.

I agree that it should behave correctly tho. With some sort of timeout or distance trigger. But proportioned with who you are in combat with.

Thanks.

And proportioned with how many there... one lone stuck zombie at the start of the level preventing the final chest from opening is very different than a horde trailing behind a rusher... or an intentionally-gathered crowd in a trial (or achievement attempt)...