FYI: limitations of Warrior's WHIRLWIND

[Vagrant]

Intended. Yep.

First perma mute lol

[Coda]

I was thinking about reverting to 4/2 (Jug/Def)...you may have swayed my decision!

The bonus for Whirlwind (and Cleave) only comes from Jug-6. Jug 4 boosts CR by 150, if using Frenzy (which most do).

So, it's off topic for this thread, but the main options for Warrior sets are:

Juggernaut 2 = 280 Power
Adventurer 2 = 210 Critical Rating
Defender 2 = 700 Armor

... then maybe swap in either ...
Adventurer 4 = 75% Critical Damage
Juggernaut 4 = essentially gives +150 Critical Rating, with Frenzy

Thoughts:

• You can add 150 CR with 3 Topaz, but you cant get any more CD with sockets. So that kind of gives the edge to Adv-4 over Jug-4.
• On the other hand, the 700 Armor from Def-2 is equal to 3.5 sockets @ 200 each, or approximately 1 stat-slot on a piece of jewelry, depending how you craft that piece, whereas you can get between ~98 to ~121% CD in the same slot. So in my opinion that kind of gives the edge to the Def-2 bonus. In other words, don't put Armor on jewelry, get about that same amount from Def-2, and instead, get more CD (98 to 121% instead of 75%) from that stat-slot on the jewelry.
• Only a Shield Wielder would use Defender 4 or 6. Hopefully some balancing changes will come eventually, that will make SW more viable.
• Using Adventurer 6 (210 Haste) means giving up Juggernaut 2 (280 Power) which of course makes no sense at all.
• Juggernaut 6 is almost useless due to the Whirlwind limitations, and having to use Cleave instead of Rending Slash. It should just give a 15% damage boost to anything and then "maybe"...

[Xusia]

But it makes using Whirlwind almost a definite "no", which is another mark against using the Juggernaut-6 full set.

I was thinking about reverting to 4/2 (Jug/Def)...you may have swayed my decision!

[Coda]

UPDATE - - during Whirlwind...

You may cast

• In the Zone
• Shield Block (only during combat, and only if wielding a Shield)
• Battle Rage

You may NOT cast

• Shockwave
• Deadly Throw
• Charge
• Leap
• Devastate

The last (1) spell you try to cast, gets queued and is cast when the Whirlwind timer is finished. It doesn't queue more than one.

The logic seems to be, spells that are stat boosts are allowed, but other attacks, no. So, this is not a bug in my opinion. But it makes using Whirlwind almost a definite "no", which is another mark against using the Juggernaut-6 full set. {I was experimenting with trying to make it work. It doesn't for me.}

[Coda]

Let's recheck before reporting it as "not working as intended". It's not that important actually, I was just playing around with using WW and Cleave together, with a full Juggernaut-6 set.

NBD.

[Humus]

Although that makes being able to use Battle Rage a bug.

As far as I remember they flip flopped on this and changed it multiple times, I thought they currently let you trigger all skills during whirlwind but I guess they changed it again

[GrauGeist]

All the more reason to play BH instead of Warrior. Also more reason why Warrior isn't anywhere near the top of the LB.

[Nhat]

(manual quote, since you can't directly quote archived posts)

Working as intended. No abilities can be used while Whirlwind is active. That's and intended drawback. However, you can use them just before activating Whirlwind.

Although that makes being able to use Battle Rage a bug.

[Xusia]

bummer

[RiseOfAbyss]

Intended. Yep.

[Xusia]

Hmmm...I haven't noticed this. I'll need to pay more attention! I've also found that it's "difficult" to disengage an enemy when Whirlwind is running.

[Coda]

When you cast Whirlwind, while it's running, you cannot cast a̶n̶y̶ certain other Utilities. Once its timer finishes, then you can cast again.

EDIT / UPDATE ... You may cast

• In the Zone
• Shield Block (only during combat, and only if wielding a Shield)
• Battle Rage

You may NOT cast

• Shockwave
• Deadly Throw
• Charge
• Leap
• Devastate

The last (1) spell you try to cast, gets queued and is cast when the Whirlwind timer is finished. It doesn't queue more than one. The logic seems to be, spells that are stat boosts are allowed, but other attacks, no.