Fire Lily vs Talisman of Storms for Regalia/GMC

[Wolf86PL]

Any chance you are a fan of Steven Erikson?

[100licad]

Isnt it better to put LoH on items and not on jewelry? First it uses water essences which are most common, second max you get on items in not much less than you get on jewelry, unlike stats like power, haste, AR or vit.

[Noir]

Thanks for the tip kurtcabage, I will because I feel I will play this game for a long time.

[kurtcabage]

go join discord server
more usefull info there and you can ask master 24/7

[Noir]

I am doing the same,have an exp farmer with the Lily. Although still early on I read so many times here that ppl create a second char for this so I suppose later in the game it will be indispensable. I did a bunch of things that might be needed later...just enjoying the game...like I learned all recipes already and raised the crafting to 49 even though I am only at lvl84 trials, so ANB just for fun but no illusion to play with the big boys yet. The forum here is so full of info and ppl are so helpful, it speaks to this game adds to enjoyment.

[kurtcabage]

i use Lily-chan for EXP farming TL90-TL100 under 1:30 on PC
2:10 on mobile

CR build for push
top player use this build including anba ( bojck )

but lily-chan push to TL154 is also possible (got this info from discord)

[Noir]

That is good to know, thank you for your answer bojck. It's helpful now I am saving up for crafting legendary equipment, which is still very expensive for me. I think everyone has to go through these start up problems. Looking forward to how my character grows and reach my own goals...I'm not at the competitive stage yet

[bojck]

Check the tutorials

No, you don't want any CR or CD with a mage lily build. The damage shown when you open the inventory is wrong when you use lily - the formula used for it was not updated when Lily was introduced. This is just a presentation issue.

[Noir]

I am a starting player and I tried the fire Lily. For mobile user it's helpful since accuracy of clicking is a limiting factor. I was wondering is CD useful since you can't crit but it gives additional damage bonus? It's too early for me in the game to do extensive testing so I was wondering if someone can help me out here.

[Maniac]

Fire Lily does seem to be a huge quality of life improvement for a long time. Especially for mobile players where clicking accuracy is just inherently bad. But I’ve been using it and pushing hard both in the season and I the ANB bronze that just finished. There’s a dmg cap that seems to stop me from pushing higher. I’m currently at elban 138 and it just takes so long to kill him. My build isn’t fully optimized but my power stat is at 5651. I’m working on improving that but it’s gonna take time and resources. And still might not be enough. Crit rate/dmg builds are certainly squishier which makes them really sketchy in high trials on mobile, but they really can pump out the dmg. All that being said I’m generally happy with my choice of using Lily, it’s fun and for people who don’t like the inconsistency of spikes and rng Lily feels reliable like an old buddy.

[Tattersail]

When I made the original post it was still early in the season and Fire Lily builds were hot out of the gate, and ranking with much lower quality gear. Since then it seem to have dropped off at higher TL's.
That being said it does seem to have its uses. Might give it a try for future ANB's to hit 130 more efficiently. Would also nice to be able to craft more instead of being crippled by lack of fire essences.

[bojck]

It's nice that you're putting this into perspective! Different players, styles, gear, goals... Personally I really like the smoothness and predictability of the lily gameplay - both for xp and push.

I'm only going the cr/cd way to reach higher trials. It's very likely that season top 10 will be 155+, and this will be very hard to achieve with lily. We still need someone to prove that : )

[mousse]

I achieved a personal best TL100 in 3+ hours with Fire Lily and Frostfire sash. I replaced CR/CD with Vit and LoH (2200+ VIT and 5000+ LoH). With my glass cannon Mage build, I could only pull 4-5 groups at most. With my tortoise Mage build, I can pull half the map. Instead of taking 4 minutes to summon a boss, it takes me 1 minute now.

If your already able to pull half the map with a glass cannon (high CR/CD) mage, Fire Lily won't offer much. But for average Joe who dies quicker than a Star Trek Red Shirt on an away mission, Fire Lily is a huge boon. I went from dying 12x a trial to not dying.

[The_Biologist]

I run fire lily with my mage and it’s been giving me some pretty great results. I used to use Talisman of Storms, but the proc was too inconsistent. And many times, it would proc when I am killing the las enemy in a large mob or when I am fighting a small group of enemies. Fire Lily is better for mages in my opinion because it allows consistently higher damage, resulting in a quicker end to a mob. I will admit though, when Storms procs just as I do Death from Above on a vortexed group, it works amazingly well. In the end though, I would say to take fire lily.

[Citizen055]

I know you’re more experienced than I am, but I have to disagree. Having a dodge on only two pieces of equipment gives a dodge chance of at least 15%. Over multiple hits, that’s a 15% damage reduction. It’s useless against a boss, but as I work to form a big mob I’m subjected to many small hits. Two slots of dodge, I think, has a bigger positive effect on mob survivability than anything else I can put in those two slots.