BH Training grounds Info

[Suzy.Bae]

watched for it and it didnt see it.
i really figured that it WOULD and had always assumed so. But dont see the secondary explosions ever on the mob that is now directly in front of me

Also bit confused by explosive firing more other two. It always felt like a SLOWER attack....

Can someone confirm this though? There's no way explosive shots deal that much damage if not.

Can someone confirm with the Devs if explosive shot pierced shots that bounce off can still proc their explosive proc damages? So practically multiple explosions that can damage mobs when they're right next to each other? If not, then that can be the buff for Havoc set. LMAO. All shots that have pierced still does 100% their effectiveness including procs when they bounce around multiple targets.

[Cultusfit]

Wow! I guess Explosive shot is really E X P L O S I V E ! LMAO. But maybe the procs of explosion can re-proc when it PIERCES on another target. That's multi-purpose explosion and piercing.

Wait.. Piercing, then Explosion.. This really sounds NASTY! LOL

watched for it and it didnt see it.
i really figured that it WOULD and had always assumed so. But dont see the secondary explosions ever on the mob that is now directly in front of me

Also bit confused by explosive firing more other two. It always felt like a SLOWER attack....

[Suzy.Bae]

Did more detailed things in training grounds. I did my best to run for exactly 10 seconds...
First test were with no complete set (i have the bonus attack from stalker)
Looking at this and thinking it through, i'll try save other set drops, probably run some lower Trials and try to get sets with bad enough stats i reset my offesnive CL and actually have power, CR, CD, Attack speed all the same and run them through same thing. If i unequip weapons and jewelry I should reduce the numbers a lot but have them more uniform and comparable.

No Set gear
Power Infusion, Charged Shot, Piercing
	Average Damage	17,684,492
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Charged	165	606880	100135288
Scatter	65	802309	52149968
Piercing	213	115144	24525748
unknown	1	16	16
	Average Damage	19,208,652
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
explosive	72	2,480,785	178,616,576
Charged	27	685,078	18,497,112
piercing	26	5,433,968	14,143,190
unknown	1	16	16
	Average Damage	13,387,780
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
lethal Shot	64	1,171,547	74,979,016
piercing Shots	31	1,660,333	51,470,336
Charged	18	644,878	11,607,820
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Assault 6
Power Infusion, Charged Shot, Piercing
	Average Damage	9,244,336
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,006,246	60,374,772
Piercing	14	11,378,931	19,305,042
charged	23	710,148	16,333,425
	Average Damage	11,801,428
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,245,436	74,726,208
Piercing	25	1,341,795	3,354,876
charged	21	623,569	13,094,959
	Average Damage	27,285,792
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
charged	279	655,874	182,989,072
scatter	60	1,328,299	79,697,944
piercing	324	115,609	37,456,736
Poison, piercing, charged
	Average Damage	23,737,358
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Charged	241	538,611	129,805,304
scatter	62	1,256,011	77,872,720
piercing	280	95,392	26,709,918
posioned	117	28068	3284040
	Average Damage	12,987,508
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,212,844	72,770,648
piercing	25	1,001,434	25,035,858
posion	59	395,681	23,398,316
charged	18	604034	10872616
Celerity, piercing, charged
	Average Damage	22,487,818
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
forgot to display detailed stats for scatter	Sorry. When I redo these with every set i'll get this all fixed up
	Average Damage	12,361,750
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	63	1,157,818	72,942,560
piercing	36	1,102,688	39,696,800
charged	27	610,652	16,487,628

I have no idea what "unknown is"
Do need to fill out a stalker set with comparable stats i can balance with CL to have a snipe proc in there.
I would also like to see the results of a Havoc set.

In a final test when I have gear i can do that with i will do single enemy and group enemy to see how it works out...

oh...and apparently if you dont have a full set...use explosive shot....never would have guess actually

Wow! I guess Explosive shot is really E X P L O S I V E ! LMAO. But maybe the procs of explosion can re-proc when it PIERCES on another target. That's multi-purpose explosion and piercing.

Wait.. Piercing, then Explosion.. This really sounds NASTY! LOL

[Cultusfit]

Did more detailed things in training grounds. I did my best to run for exactly 10 seconds...
First test were with no complete set (i have the bonus attack from stalker)
Looking at this and thinking it through, i'll try save other set drops, probably run some lower Trials and try to get sets with bad enough stats i reset my offesnive CL and actually have power, CR, CD, Attack speed all the same and run them through same thing. If i unequip weapons and jewelry I should reduce the numbers a lot but have them more uniform and comparable.

No Set gear
Power Infusion, Charged Shot, Piercing
	Average Damage	17,684,492
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Charged	165	606880	100135288
Scatter	65	802309	52149968
Piercing	213	115144	24525748
unknown	1	16	16
	Average Damage	19,208,652
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
explosive	72	2,480,785	178,616,576
Charged	27	685,078	18,497,112
piercing	26	5,433,968	14,143,190
unknown	1	16	16
	Average Damage	13,387,780
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
lethal Shot	64	1,171,547	74,979,016
piercing Shots	31	1,660,333	51,470,336
Charged	18	644,878	11,607,820
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Assault 6
Power Infusion, Charged Shot, Piercing
	Average Damage	9,244,336
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,006,246	60,374,772
Piercing	14	11,378,931	19,305,042
charged	23	710,148	16,333,425
	Average Damage	11,801,428
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,245,436	74,726,208
Piercing	25	1,341,795	3,354,876
charged	21	623,569	13,094,959
	Average Damage	27,285,792
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
charged	279	655,874	182,989,072
scatter	60	1,328,299	79,697,944
piercing	324	115,609	37,456,736
Poison, piercing, charged
	Average Damage	23,737,358
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Charged	241	538,611	129,805,304
scatter	62	1,256,011	77,872,720
piercing	280	95,392	26,709,918
posioned	117	28068	3284040
	Average Damage	12,987,508
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	60	1,212,844	72,770,648
piercing	25	1,001,434	25,035,858
posion	59	395,681	23,398,316
charged	18	604034	10872616
Celerity, piercing, charged
	Average Damage	22,487,818
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
forgot to display detailed stats for scatter	Sorry. When I redo these with every set i'll get this all fixed up
	Average Damage	12,361,750
ability	Times cast	Damage/cast	Total Damage
Lethal	63	1,157,818	72,942,560
piercing	36	1,102,688	39,696,800
charged	27	610,652	16,487,628

I have no idea what "unknown is"
Do need to fill out a stalker set with comparable stats i can balance with CL to have a snipe proc in there.
I would also like to see the results of a Havoc set.

In a final test when I have gear i can do that with i will do single enemy and group enemy to see how it works out...

oh...and apparently if you dont have a full set...use explosive shot....never would have guess actually

[Melchiah]

So all other things being equal, Charged Ammo > Celerity.

[Suzy.Bae]

Nice job!
Have you tried these?

• Scatter Shot/Piercing Ammo/ Power Infusion/ Poison

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• Scatter Shot/Piercing Ammo/ Poison/ Charged Shot

I'm only curious about Scatter,Charged,Poison but I doubt that will do good given poison is never really synergize with scatter due to it's 70% per shrapnel damage.

You gotta include the Rapid fire (scatter procs) since that's what makes it really strong with power infusion and piercing shots. Although if you do, then you'll definitely see why it's the best set. Stalker won't even compare to how much it deals even with those snipe procs.

Makes sense. Scatter shot + charged is about as good an AOE effect as there is for BH. Extra projectile for Assault + Piercing Armor + Charged shots hits multiple targets more often.

I would assume Scatter + piercing + poison will do alot more than 11M but less than charged shots.

I doubt. Poison deals the base damage of your main attack and scatter is just at 70% per shrapnel.

[Bounty]

Makes sense. Scatter shot + charged is about as good an AOE effect as there is for BH. Extra projectile for Assault + Piercing Armor + Charged shots hits multiple targets more often.

I would assume Scatter + piercing + poison will do alot more than 11M but less than charged shots.

[Cultusfit]

Nice job!
Have you tried these?

• Scatter Shot/Piercing Ammo/ Power Infusion/ Poison

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• Scatter Shot/Piercing Ammo/ Poison/ Charged Shot

I mostly had done it for the people over in another post.
I was at work and things were bit busy. It was easy to just let it run and repeat back the displayed averages real quick.....
I might go ahead and do the full version. I could swap through several set ups, move in some of my stalker pieces so i'm not getting assault bonuses on scatter
(i figure just repeating two of them i do WITH the full scatter should be enough to give an idea so basic set up SS and lethal and you would be able to see the assault sets impact)

To make it most fair i need something i can use effectively to calculate the time i am performing the attacks. I would like an on screen clock, i could use hot keys to set it to start on left mouse click so the MOMENT i click to attack it starts...i'll look for a program that does this then do a full version, post the videos remember to display detailed damage screen etc.

Probably want to try single enemy vs group also....
any other thoughts? I'll compile a list before i start so that i make sure i get them all

[Cultusfit]

Sorry I didnt show the detailed damage on each one, or my stats page was in bit of a hurry. But it's a full Assault set (so obviously if you dont have one your scatter shots would be significantly lower.
But shows some example of why the leader board has the first set up the most.
Just quick rounded numbers are:

Scatter Shot/Piercing ammo/Power Infusion/Charged Shot : 33M
Scatter Shot/ Piercing Ammo/ Power Infusion/ Celerity: 11M
Lethal Shot/Piercing Ammo/Poison/Power Infusion: 11M

(since all gear is the same and i'm just standing letting the main attack do it's thing dont need to have much else other than the average damage displayed at bottom of screen. In a few seconds you can tell the 11M isn't going to jump up to the same 33M values. )

Dont think it made the video but tried out the explosive shot question that came up. Didn't see any secondary explosions so i'm going to say piercing doesn't cause them