Clear Guidelines from the Developers Regarding ANBs

[Tin Man]

Yes, the second warrior. My bad.

Apologies.

[Bali_Lenni]

Second mage ? You mean 2nd warrior , or am I totally confused ? In case you meant 2nd warrior (3rd toon), I will follow Nath's advice and (about 20 minutes before my timer is up, after MagePush) take him to hero level 55 only, no legendary crafts, unlock the unlockables and end event.

Thank you so much for your help in this. Players like me would be lost in translation (transcending the doubt-tainted incomprehensible to something understandable) without the help of the Eternalium Council of the Wise (as in eternally sacrificing time and good-will...cheers).

[Tin Man]

Sharing an Integralas Mantle while dual-classing should not result in a permanent ban as multi-classing is allowed. You might get banned but should be reversed after asking Travis for a review. This has happened to others.

The issue is that you are not talking about multi-classing. You are talking about dual-classing followed by a second mage. That second mage is what puts you at risk.

Stay within the known rules and you should be fine.

The funny thing is that there are officially communicated rules, the Terms of Service, and those rules are not enforced. Go figure.

[Bali_Lenni]

Thank you for posting the link - relieved to see I am not the only one feeling this way (well it's common sense really - if there are rules, they should be officially communicated then everything stays fair) - which I had not seen before.

It has never crossed my mind "to exploit/cheat". My understanding was that dual classing was out of the grey zone and definitely allowed. I was not aware of the multiple crafting hero discussions, but suspected that this might be a delicate area. I have never tried that before, but wanted to try dual classing last bronze and had lots of fun doing so and decided to have a go at it again. Newly learning this, one is inevitab!y very occupied and distracted by all the things one has to think of and it was just pure luck that I posted some questions and became aware through player responses, that there are these issues going on.
So thinking dual classing is ok, it did not even cross my mind that using crafts from toon 1, stash them and use them with toon#2 is something that is considered immoral or not allowed.
Now that it is known, the 77 Integralas will remain in stash and if there is no official response, I will unfortunately have to destroy it before ending event and find something else to CT.....a bit of a shame really, but better accept some collateral dammage than not play at all......

[Tin Man]

Do not hold your breath. We are not allowed to publicly discuss exploits. The methodology of the developers is to provide little game guidance and have to players investigate on their home.

This thread was started because a player used a widely discussed topic, crafting heroes, during ANB and was banned for this. That player remains banned.

So, an otherwise acceptable activity outside of ANBs is a bannable offense during ANBs without warning.

That the discussion about crafting 77s that are not supported by your current hero is an "exploit" means that I am surprised that the warnings are allowed to exist as discussing exploits is explicitly banned.

Per the Forum guidelines? This entire thread:

https://forum.makingfun.com/forum/eternium/a-new-beginning-anb/210739-things-that-you-should-not-do-during-anbs

should not be allowed to exist.

[Bali_Lenni]

P.S. Hoping there will be a stickied official anouncement soon on exactly what is allowed and what not in ANBs..
...most of all, because some players may actually unintentionally, since unknowingly, step on the wrong side of the line. Since consequences are severe it should be stated in the ANB guide for new players as well. cheers

[Tin Man]

As long as you have 64 level 71+ legendary set or unique items crafted per each 77? You should not run afoul of the ban hammer. That is 64 crafts on your ACTIVE hero and does not include crafts done by any deleted heroes.

[Bali_Lenni]

ok . thanks. Will not use it then. Hoping to have an answer on whether, I can keep/ CT it (not having used it) , before event ends.

[Tin Man]

If you have more active level 77 pieces than you have crafts by the hero to justify those pieces? You will be banned. There is no doubt about this and you can even run awry of this when you are only double-classing. At least one player has had the ban removed after a manual review but I would not rely upon this.

The only real question is whether only equipped 77s count or all 77s count. I have not yet seen anyone comment whether or not excess 77s in inventory will cause you to be banned. This question is a rabbit hole that could have extreme consequences.

Not even sure if the restrictions would be equally applied.

Crafting heroes are clearly banned.

Who wishes to test the waters to see what you can get away with when multi-classing?

I somehow doubt any official guidelines about what you can and can not do will be presented other than being banned.

[Bali_Lenni]

Being new to dual classing (2nd attempt) and having just discovered this thread, I have a very specific question for this silver ANB.
Currently farming with warrior and eventually moving on to 2nd toon pushMage.
Now, I have crafted a 77 Integralas (with 1st warrior toon), since only Integralas and trinkets can be used by both warrior and mage.

Am I allowed to use this , or does this fall under the no-go rules ?
If I am not allowed to use it in trials/push, can I CT it in stash for my main hero back home ?

[Ozymandius]

Tony Bare Dual classing is when you start an ANB event with one class of hero for farming experience, then switch over to a different class of hero for pushing. For example, I might start the event as a Fury Warrior, build up Champion Levels and materials, then switch over to play a Havoc BH for pushing higher trials. It is a bit tricky, so you definitely should read up on how to dual class before giving it a try. Here is a link that should answer your questions about dual classing:

https://forum.makingfun.com/forum/the-archives/m-m/183763-dual-classing-in-anb

[Travis | Support Mgr.]

I'll let the community speak on dual-classing during events. As for #2, I don't see that you have any event heroes...

[Tony Bare]

#1: how the hell does one "dual-class"? Isn't it one class only? Bounty Hunter, Mage, Warrior.
#2: my event is over but I'm not getting the "end" button. what's up with that?

[ricklhall]

Glad I just read this. I was just thinking about a second BH to craft a second lvl 77 item. Maybe I will try one for my mage.
Honestly, I do not understand the distinction, however. Over multiple ANBs is not the outcome exactly the same? The number of equipment slots is finite at exactly 13 I may not understand something important as I have never created a second toon before.

[Tin Man]

Travis, got it!

So, if you dual-class to leverage your crafting chances, then you will not fall upon ill will from the developers.

If you create a crafting hero and do similar crafting and take the same gear to your push hero, then you will be banned.

Moral of the story? Want to leverage your crafting chances? Make sure you multi-class rather than using a "crafting hero". One is safe while the other will get you banned.